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Bro. W. M. Thompson, of Ada, Okla, engaged Ben. M. Bogard in a 4 day's debate ay the Plouer School House, near Shawnea, Okla., beginning Dec, 30, 1919.
Four propositions were discussed. Each speaker conducted himself in the most orderly and praiseworthy manner. Moderators had nothing to do but open and close each session.
Everyone knows Mr. Bogard to be the strongest Baptist debater in the entire country. Will Thompson proved himself to be equal to the task Mr. Bogard laid out for him. Some brethren came to the debate feeling that we were possibly not well fortified with a man to meet Bogard, but went away singing Thompson's praises and declaring that Okla. Churches need not order preachers to meet the opposers of the Lord's way so long as Will Thompson lives.
Bogard led, affirming that, "Sinners are saved by grace through faith, before and without baptism." The affirmative arguments were of the usual sort, and nothing new presented. Bro. Thompson easily met him at every turn. He told the folks that he believed with all his heart that sinners are saved by grace through faith, nut when Bogard tacked on the other words, "before and without baptism," he then had to deny the whole thing; for neither God, Christ, apostles, nor the Holy Spirit ever said such a thing ever happened. Mr. Bogard was asked repeatedly to show one case where any one was said to have been save by grace, through faith, before he was baptized. Of course, it could not be done. That debate closed and the case was not shone. Mr. Bogard ran to Acts 10 to find persons upon whom the Spirit fell before they were baptized, and argued that this answered bro. Thompson's devastating arguments.
On the second day bro. Thompson affirmed the establishment. He did as well as any living man can do. He used all of the strongest of all arguments and introduced some new ones. One of the new arguments was Isa. 66:5-8. Bogar publicly stated the argument was new and showed his utter inability to handle it.
On the 3rd day Bogard affirmed impossibility of apostasy. He took his usual course in efforts to cover up his opponent with scriptures having the words "live forever," "never die," "everlasting life, "eternal life" and "shall not see death." The mere facts were called arguments. The "boy" was too much for a match here. He asked Bogard to tell what became of the 23,000 who fell in the wilderness. Mr. Bogard said they all died and went to hell, but that they "never did have faith" and quoted Heb. 3:10 as proof. He wrote it on the board this way, "They have always erred in their hearts, and have never known my ways." Thompson was ready, and showed that three words were written by Bogard that were not in the verse, then cited Heb. 11:9; I Cor. 10:1-13 to show they were in touch with the divine hand and had "all" been under his care. Some real debating took place here.
On the 4th day Thompson affirmed: "Baptism for the remission of sins." Much interest was manifested in this proposition. Many had come to learn the truth on this great question. Thompson ten Baptist scholars who argued with us on this important question. He begged Bogard to try to write a sentence with a compound predicate connected by the conjunction "and" in order to obtain an object, and have one verb pointing forward and the other backward. It was never attempted.
Mr. Bogard showed himself to be a jolly, grand entertainer at the noon hours, eating dinner with bro. Thompson and his brethren and holding pleasant conversations with them. About 12 gospel preachers attended the debate, and every one of them stands ready, anxious and willing to endorse bro. Thompson to meet any Baptist debater on earth. Heaven along will reveal the lasting good accomplished in this debate. May God bless all who are satisfied with the wonderful truth that was taught.
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W. M. Thompson vs Ben Bogard (Baptist)
February 5, 1920
Shawnea, Oklahoma
(By G. Will Knley)
February 5, 1920
Shawnea, Oklahoma
(By G. Will Knley)
Bro. W. M. Thompson, of Ada, Okla, engaged Ben. M. Bogard in a 4 day's debate ay the Plouer School House, near Shawnea, Okla., beginning Dec, 30, 1919.
Four propositions were discussed. Each speaker conducted himself in the most orderly and praiseworthy manner. Moderators had nothing to do but open and close each session.
Everyone knows Mr. Bogard to be the strongest Baptist debater in the entire country. Will Thompson proved himself to be equal to the task Mr. Bogard laid out for him. Some brethren came to the debate feeling that we were possibly not well fortified with a man to meet Bogard, but went away singing Thompson's praises and declaring that Okla. Churches need not order preachers to meet the opposers of the Lord's way so long as Will Thompson lives.
Bogard led, affirming that, "Sinners are saved by grace through faith, before and without baptism." The affirmative arguments were of the usual sort, and nothing new presented. Bro. Thompson easily met him at every turn. He told the folks that he believed with all his heart that sinners are saved by grace through faith, nut when Bogard tacked on the other words, "before and without baptism," he then had to deny the whole thing; for neither God, Christ, apostles, nor the Holy Spirit ever said such a thing ever happened. Mr. Bogard was asked repeatedly to show one case where any one was said to have been save by grace, through faith, before he was baptized. Of course, it could not be done. That debate closed and the case was not shone. Mr. Bogard ran to Acts 10 to find persons upon whom the Spirit fell before they were baptized, and argued that this answered bro. Thompson's devastating arguments.
On the second day bro. Thompson affirmed the establishment. He did as well as any living man can do. He used all of the strongest of all arguments and introduced some new ones. One of the new arguments was Isa. 66:5-8. Bogar publicly stated the argument was new and showed his utter inability to handle it.
On the 3rd day Bogard affirmed impossibility of apostasy. He took his usual course in efforts to cover up his opponent with scriptures having the words "live forever," "never die," "everlasting life, "eternal life" and "shall not see death." The mere facts were called arguments. The "boy" was too much for a match here. He asked Bogard to tell what became of the 23,000 who fell in the wilderness. Mr. Bogard said they all died and went to hell, but that they "never did have faith" and quoted Heb. 3:10 as proof. He wrote it on the board this way, "They have always erred in their hearts, and have never known my ways." Thompson was ready, and showed that three words were written by Bogard that were not in the verse, then cited Heb. 11:9; I Cor. 10:1-13 to show they were in touch with the divine hand and had "all" been under his care. Some real debating took place here.
On the 4th day Thompson affirmed: "Baptism for the remission of sins." Much interest was manifested in this proposition. Many had come to learn the truth on this great question. Thompson ten Baptist scholars who argued with us on this important question. He begged Bogard to try to write a sentence with a compound predicate connected by the conjunction "and" in order to obtain an object, and have one verb pointing forward and the other backward. It was never attempted.
Mr. Bogard showed himself to be a jolly, grand entertainer at the noon hours, eating dinner with bro. Thompson and his brethren and holding pleasant conversations with them. About 12 gospel preachers attended the debate, and every one of them stands ready, anxious and willing to endorse bro. Thompson to meet any Baptist debater on earth. Heaven along will reveal the lasting good accomplished in this debate. May God bless all who are satisfied with the wonderful truth that was taught.
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