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Debated George Shamberger, German Baptist or Dunkard near Byron, O. T. He was from Dallas Center, Iowa. I do not regard him as a fair disputant. In his debate with Rice, Alexander Campbell made the statement that immersion could be traced back to the apostles. The stenographer made him say that "trine immersion" could be thus traced back. In their debates with the disciples, the Dunkards made use of this statement with considerable effect. Our brethren wrote to Campbell. He denied the authorship of the word "trine," and it was left out of the subsequent edition of the book. Mr. Shamberger had an early copy of the work and paraded this statement before the audience without an explanation.
The Dunkards commonly tell us that "baptizing ... in the name of the Father, and the Son, and the Holy Spirit means baptizing into the Father himself, into the Son himself, and into the Holy Spirit himself, citing passages in which Christians are said to be in God, in Christ, and in the Holy Spirit. Then they launch into the mysteries of the Godhead, trying to divide its three members and to separate them so far that three dips will be required to get into them. It will be admitted, I suppose, that in action Christ's baptism and our baptism agree. If so, this argument is no argument at all. Was Christ baptized into the Father, then into himself (!), then into the Spirit? The Spirit descended upon Him after baptism.
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Elmore vs Dunkard
January 2, 1902
Location unknown
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January 2, 1902
Location unknown
(By unknown)
Debated George Shamberger, German Baptist or Dunkard near Byron, O. T. He was from Dallas Center, Iowa. I do not regard him as a fair disputant. In his debate with Rice, Alexander Campbell made the statement that immersion could be traced back to the apostles. The stenographer made him say that "trine immersion" could be thus traced back. In their debates with the disciples, the Dunkards made use of this statement with considerable effect. Our brethren wrote to Campbell. He denied the authorship of the word "trine," and it was left out of the subsequent edition of the book. Mr. Shamberger had an early copy of the work and paraded this statement before the audience without an explanation.
The Dunkards commonly tell us that "baptizing ... in the name of the Father, and the Son, and the Holy Spirit means baptizing into the Father himself, into the Son himself, and into the Holy Spirit himself, citing passages in which Christians are said to be in God, in Christ, and in the Holy Spirit. Then they launch into the mysteries of the Godhead, trying to divide its three members and to separate them so far that three dips will be required to get into them. It will be admitted, I suppose, that in action Christ's baptism and our baptism agree. If so, this argument is no argument at all. Was Christ baptized into the Father, then into himself (!), then into the Spirit? The Spirit descended upon Him after baptism.
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